Francesca Inskipp and Brigid Proctor in Conversation: Introduction (02:23)
Counseling lecturer Mike Simmons introduces a conversation with Francesca Inskipp and Brigid Proctor. He highlights their contributions to counseling in Britain, including training and supervision. Therapist and writer Frank Wills will interview them.
Beginning a Counseling Partnership (04:54)
Proctor and Inskipp recall meeting at a training conference in the 1970s. The first counseling courses were patched together, providing them with opportunity to develop their own programs.
Developing an Agenda (03:29)
Proctor was trained as a psycho-dynamic case worker when she started counseling. She describes collaborating with colleagues from diverse backgrounds to create a humanistic program.
Counseling Training Pioneers (06:13)
Inskipp describes working with Hans Hoxter to develop a university course in Britain. She used Susan Gilmore's "The Training of Counselors" and Rogers, Carkhuff, and Ivey's "The Skilled Helper" to form a group counseling model.
"Principles of Counseling" (03:19)
Inskipp discusses her BBC radio series, developed with Hazel Johns. She sold accompanying booklets and wrote a manual of exercises that became "Training in Counseling Skills." Wills discusses using these sources in his teaching.
Counseling Skills Movement (03:05)
By the 1980s, nurses, clergy and prison officers were attending counseling courses. Proctor recalls distinguishing between counseling skills and counseling models; many students were not training to become counselors. There was a political will to make counseling widely available.
Resistance to the Counseling Skills Movement (05:08)
Proctor recalls criticism of the idea that empathy could be taught. She and Inskipp found that counseling skills taught to non-counselors could still be effective. They discuss the debate over transferal versus real working relationships.
Psychological Types and Counseling (04:35)
Wills asks Inskipp and Proctor about applying the CBT model for working with depressed individuals. Proctor advocates an over-arching theoretical understanding like NLP, which acknowledges diversity in how people understand, receive, and operate.
"Counseling Shop" (04:10)
Proctor describes researching and writing about different counseling models; she interviewed experts on each approach. European psychodynamic approaches reflected war history, while American approaches were more optimistic.
Counseling Tribalism (03:36)
Proctor initially considered types of people and personal development, rather than types of problems, when writing "Counseling Shop." She discusses the title's pun and cautions against therapists becoming closed to models outside their own.
Berlin Wall Metaphor (04:19)
Wills asks Inskipp and Proctor about getting counselors to cooperate outside their models. Tribalism cuts their clients off from other possibilities, particularly if their model is not working. Inskipp says most university courses are integrative.
Partially Integrating Counseling Models (04:06)
Wills recalls an alcohol counseling supervisor saying it takes fifty clients to become experienced. He worries that true experience will be compromised in integrative counseling. Inskipp argues that basic skills can be shared among approaches, rather than using tools eclectically.
Counseling Model Assimilation (04:53)
Proctor reflects on the search for common ground among therapeutic approaches. BACP courses include a common core of values and research shows client-therapist relationships are more important than specific techniques.
Importance of Counselor Self-Confidence (01:43)
Inskipp talks about the search for an overarching theory of change and what makes clients trust therapists enough to change.
Supervision Debate (04:14)
British counselors are required to be supervised, whereas in America, counseling students are required to be supervised. Inskipp and Proctor address ongoing discussions within the BACP over alternative professional development methods.
Supervisor Accreditation Issues (03:53)
Proctor and Inskipp explain why requiring British counselors to be supervised has become ineffective. Inskipp advocates accrediting supervision courses and argues that supervision is important for professional development.
Supervision Types (03:15)
Supervision can occur between counseling peers. It accesses private work done between clients and counselors and provides opportunities to learn about what works in the counseling field. Inskipp believes school teachers would benefit from supervision for stress management.
Bad Practice Issue (02:38)
Proctor says the fear of lawsuits and damage to clients leads to poor supervision. Supervisors need support to address these issues.
Future of Counseling (03:03)
Inskipp references an article proposing that counseling is splitting into short-term problem solving and long-term personal growth areas. Transpersonal counseling has also grown. She calls for more free counseling to become available.
Working with People (02:53)
Proctor reflects on diverse personalities she has encountered during her career. She protests societal changes that restrict counseling for those who need it most, and disagrees with calling personal development counseling "psychotherapy." Wills concludes the interview.
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